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Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/08/14 13:45
I reached lvl 60 two weeks ago and have been doing guild raids in LBRS (for the key) and UBRS once we got it.
I have tried to use Greater Heal as often as possible, as this is the most efficient heal we have, but I have found it to be too risky. It may be the most efficient, but not the most effective.
I think all of us know how it feels to have your tank die on you and then the boss mob proceeds to tear your raid into pieces. This has happened to me and I am questioning if my spec and technique is wrong. I find that mobs' burst damage is too unpredictable to use Greater Heal and there are times when they have been a few mini-seconds too late and the tank died.
Currently, I am 26 Disc 25 Holy. I took Disc to Meditation.I have Imp Prayer of Healing, Imp Flash Heal, Spirit of Redemption in Holy. I do not have Master Healer.
How often and under what circumtances do you use Greater Heal?
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Re:Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/08/14 22:22
I find I use it very rarely. I usually find myself using it in conjunction with focused casting durring a PvP fight on my tank when he is at 40-50%. It will usually hit him at like 20-30% and allow him to kick ass a while longer.
I don't use it durring any instances ususally, because it just becomes to easy to wipe if you screw it up.
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Re:Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/08/14 23:45
I use it very infrequently. Personally, I prefer to go with the Flash heal / renew combo most of the time. I find that both the time it takes Greater Heal to cast and the sudden surge in aggro it generates makes it generally useless in an instance.
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Re:Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/08/15 06:28
I might as well take it off my quickbar. I never use it.
Here's what I usually do:
1. Renew at -500 to -1000 hp
2. Flash heal at more than -1200 hp
3. Shield is a judgement call. I usually shield the squishy types before they start AoEing or just as they start. If someone starts taking damage quick, I'll throw on a shield followed immediately by a flash heal. Basically, if it makes my heart rate increase, I'll use shield (because it's the least efficient "heal" spell we have mana-wise). Otherwise, I just renew/flash heal.
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Re:Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/08/15 22:43
Greater healing is usable if you know your tank well, and he has the proper tanking set up. I play a level 60 warrior as well as a priest so I see it from both ends of the spectrum.
First off a little education for you guys about warriors and tanking. Protection spec does not a tank make. Equipment and know how makes the tank. Specifically an ideal tank will have 400 defense min if he is serious about his tanking duties. 400 defense will reduce the crits a tank recieves from level 60 mobs to less than 1% meaning virtually no spike damage or massive drop in hit points from melee damage it also raises the dogde, parry, and block rates that means total or partially mitigated damage. Spell damage can be anticpated and accounted for with experiance from the priest. With a properly equipped warrior Greater Heal can be used safely but I know many find themselfs in pick up groups with warriors they have never grouped with before or know very little about. So remember the next time you are picking a main tank, dont ask him his hp/spec ask him his hp/defense/ac/spec because the warrior with the highest defense knows his class and probably knows what he is doing when it comes time to tank.
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Re:Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/08/17 03:21
Joey wrote:
I might as well take it off my quickbar. I never use it.
Here's what I usually do:
1. Renew at -500 to -1000 hp
2. Flash heal at more than -1200 hp
3. Shield is a judgement call. I usually shield the squishy types before they start AoEing or just as they start. If someone starts taking damage quick, I'll throw on a shield followed immediately by a flash heal. Basically, if it makes my heart rate increase, I'll use shield (because it's the least efficient "heal" spell we have mana-wise). Otherwise, I just renew/flash heal.
Ditto. Goes for every instance, including MC/Onyxia.
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Re:Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/08/19 00:08
I use BeneCast mod and i have greater setup for pallies and warriors but i rarely actually use it, i find flash heal and prayer of healing enough.
I find the problem with greater heal is even though it heals alot, it takes along time to cast. The only time your going to cast this is when the tank is low on health, but if the tank is low on health by the time you've cast it, their dead. Bit of a vicious circle.
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Re:Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/08/24 16:22
Greater Heal is underused in 5-15 man instances. With 5 points in Improved Healing, it's by far our most efficient single target burst heal spell. When the tank is taking damage in a controlled pace, like in most 5-15 group instances, learning to time greater heals so they hit for full will go a long way towards being a more durable healer. I recommend using the second highest rank, since the highest is a bit too large for most non-MC geared tanks.
That said, I've now specced out of Improved Healing to focus more on BWL (where Greater is just... useless), and I really don't use it much anymore. The only times I use GHeal now is really on longer offtank heal duties, like Majordomo or Golemagg.
Bottom line, it has it's uses, and if you spec Improved Healing it is by far the best choice in many situations. At the current highend game and in PvP however, it's mostly useless.
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Re:Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/09/11 19:13
GH (Greater Heal) is a good spell if you learn how to use it why?
becouse it allows you to regen more mana afther each cast. the only problem is that you realy need to know how to master it before its a safe way of healing there are many places were its usefull easy instances like startholm, UBRS, LBRS and Scholomance but i wont recomend using it in a hot fight. its also the only way you can heal the tank in the Majordomo fight if you dont get a innervate from a druid becouse you will run out of mana fast if you use FH (Flash Heal)
GH is still a gimped heal becouse the long casting time its hard to predict 4 sec (3.5 with tallents) a head in a fight when i comes to healing the 0.5 sec does a lot of diffrence but not enough its hard to use this heal but its still a realy good and mana conserving heal
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Re:Greater Heal - How often do you use it? - 2005/09/13 00:29
Personally, in a 5-man instance run. (UBRS, LBRS, DM, Scolo, strat) Greater heal is my main heal. You really have to be comfortable with it and know how to use it. It's best to use if you know the instance, or the mobs your tank is tanking, and you know your tank. My three most used healing spells in 5-mans in this order Renew, greater heal, shield.
This is how my healing usually goes. Before tank goes in I will cast shield and renew on them. (same goes for someone going to AoE or the puller in some cases.) Depending on the mob that is on the tank, I will usually begin the cast gheal at half life or at about a third life. If they are drapping faster then I expect, I will shield before the gheal. In a dire emergeny of some sort I will shield, renew, gheal. Normally, if you had shieled and renew the tank before the pull, you should not pull aggro until the second gheal (at least with the way I am speced.) Keeping that in mind, I will usually fade after the second large heal (be it prayer or gheal) just to maintain my aggro management. For the rest of the party, I will drop a renew on them if they start to get hit. That usually keeps everyones health up. If a caster pulls aggro and they are dropping fast I will renew and shield, and if needed, drop a flash heal on them just in case.
For me, the above healing strat is best in healing and mana effency, but keep in mind, all healers are different. Again, knowing the zone/mobs that are being tanked and what your tank can handle plays a big part in this. If I am going into an instance I don't know well, or going in with a tank I don't know well, what I will usually do for the first few fights is send them inwith shield/renew and then immideatly begin casting the gheal once they start tanking. If their help is dropping slower then I am casting, I interrupt and start again. After a couple of these test casts, I have a very good idea of how low I can let them go before I should start the heal.
Sorry for the long winded response. Heh. So basically, GH is an excellant spell if you learn to use it wisely. But in the end, it's best to heal whatever way you feel comfortable, and whatever is best for your spec.
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